Agenda item

Pre-Scrutiny

Minutes:

The Committee scrutinised the following matters:

 

Cabinet Board Proposals

 

5.1     Fostering Statement of Purpose

 

Members noted that there was a typographical error on page 15 of the appendix to the report. It was requested that the sentence “To safeguard and protect the welfare of children and young people and to ensure their physical, emotional and intellectual development” was changed to “To safeguard and protect the welfare of children and young people and to assure their physical, emotional and intellectual development”.

 

 

5.2     Neath Port Talbot Fostering Service Regulation 42 Quality of Care Report 2015/16

 

Members noted that it was a good report and requested that an update report against the recommendations was brought back to the Committee. Members also requested a report on placement breakdowns was brought to a future meeting.

It was agreed that these reports would be scheduled into the Forward Work Programme.

 

 

5.3     Foster Carer Recruitment Strategy and Finance Policy

 

The Committee received the report on the Foster Carer Recruitment Strategy and Finance Policy that outlined the proposals to increase weekly payments and the payment of a retainer for foster carers for children aged 11 plus, as detailed within the circulated report.

 

Members were informed that increasing weekly payments and the payment of a retainer would support the recruitment and retention of foster carers for teenagers in order to reduce the number of young people placed in independent foster placements. It was noted that this would enable the Council to make greater savings. It was highlighted that the Looked After Children Strategy had successfully reduced the number of looked after children and the Service was more successful in keeping children at home. The Service had to ensure that it was meeting the needs of those children and young people in care. The aim of the Recruitment Strategy was to identify the profile of looked after children and foster carers in order consider the key issues which needed to be addressed to have a positive impact on recruitment and retention of skilled and experienced foster carers.

 

It was highlighted that there had been a continual reduction in requests for people to become foster carers. The majority of enquiries were for people considering becoming foster carers for children under 10 years old and in particular children under 5 years old. There were difficulties in finding foster carers for teenagers and often had to use independent fostering agencies. The Service had managed to reduce the number of independent placements but there was a need for more in house foster carers for teenagers. The team had looked at the barriers and what needed to be done differently. The Strategy focuses on 11plus recruitment, handling enquiries differently and what could be done to attract foster carers to the Council rather than independent agencies and other Councils.

 

The Strategy recommends that there was an increase in foster carer payments in order to ensure the Council was able to provide a competitive fee to match the local market. It was also recommended that up to a six week retainer was paid to foster carers for teenagers. The cost of these measures would be around £202k and would be offset by anticipated savings in external placements. It was highlighted that the costs were worked out on the worst case scenario. Members recognised the positive steps being taken to increase recruitment and retention of foster carers. It was recognised that the increase in fees would encourage more foster carers to enhance and develop their skills. Some of the cohort of carers for under 10 years old would be encouraged to progress and consider caring for teenagers.

 

Members queried why it had taken this time to increase the fees paid and develop the Strategy. Officers explained that the focus had been on improving the Service, making it more stable and reducing the number of looked after children. This work had taken up a lot of resources and reducing the number of looked after children had allowed some resources to be redirected into funding this Strategy.

 

It was outlined that there had been some increases in placement breakdowns and skilled carers were needed to maintain young people in foster placements with Neath Port Talbot carers. Support services were also required for those children who had the most challenging behaviours. It was explained that work was being undertaken with the clinical team within Hillside Secure Unit to support foster carers to manage behaviour of looked after children with complex needs. Members were pleased that positive messages were being given to foster carers that the work they did was valued and the Council would provide them with appropriate support.

 

Members queried if a child reached 11 years old whilst in care would they stay with the same foster carers or would they have to change placements. It was explained that foster carers provided different levels of support some were short term and others were long term. If a child was in a long term placement then where possible they would try to ensure the child remained in the same placement and the new strategy would help to address this with the different options it offered.

 

Following scrutiny, the Committee was supportive of the proposals to be considered by the Cabinet Board.

 

 

5.4     Childcare Sufficiency Assessment Year Three Action Plan

         

The Committee received the Childcare Sufficiency Assessment action plan for 2016/2017 in Neath Port Talbot, as detailed within the circulated report.

 

Members were informed that a key part of the Childcare Sufficiency Assessment was the three year action plan. It was explained that this was year three of the plan. The report highlighted the key actions that would be implemented in during 2016/17 in the context of the overarching three year plan. The actions had been derived in support of the 12 priorities identified in the Childcare Sufficiency Assessment.

 

Members queried why the information pack for employers to provide parents/carers had not been completed and would it need to be bilingual. Officers explained that it had started to be developed and the completed pack would be bilingual. There was a Welsh speaker in the team, which would assist with this.

 

Following scrutiny, the Committee was supportive of the proposal to be considered by the Cabinet Board.

 

 

5.6     Home to School Transport Appeals Panel

 

The Committee received the report to establish and convene a Home to School Transport Appeal Panel in order to hear any appeal lodged by a parent/guardian in relation to the Authority’s application of the Home to School Transport Policy, as detailed within the circulated report.

 

Members were informed that grounds for appeal would be for two reasons. One reason would be that the appellant believes that Local Authority has not applied the Policy correctly. The second reason was that the appellant was able to cite any special/exceptional circumstances which they believe should be considered. An Appeals Panel would be set up within 28 days of receiving an appeal and the appellant could appear in person or provide written evidence. It was highlighted that it was proposed that the Panel would comprise of senior officers that were outside of the Education, Leisure and Lifelong Learning Directorate. Following this procedure if the appellant was not satisfied with the way the appeal had been undertaken they could complain to the Public Service Ombudsman for Wales.

 

Members commented that they understood the necessity of developing the Appeals Panel and queried that as it was a Policy agreed by Members for officers to exercise why it was proposed to be an officer and not a Member Panel. Officers explained that they had looked into the legalities of the Panel and there was no obligation for it to be an officer or a Member Panel. It was highlighted that there was a mix of panels within the Council and some were officer led panels and some were Member led. Members noted that the subject was very controversial and it would have been useful if it could have been a mixed panel of officers and Members. It was noted that this was not practicable and it had to be one or the other. Some Members felt that if the Panel was Member lead it would be more transparent to members of the public to understand.

 

Officers explained that unless particular functions had been specified in the Constitution of the Council then it would be an executive function and this would result in the Panel being made up of Cabinet Members.

 

It was noted that the Home to School Transport Policy would be reviewed in the autumn and as part of this process they would also review the appeals process. In the interim a Panel was required for the current Policy as appeals had been received.

 

Members queried if there had been appeals previously and officers confirmed that there had not. Members queried how parents appealed decisions and they would have liked more information on the process in the report. Officers explained that the Policy was clear on the two areas that could be subject to appeal and once a decision was communicated to parents there was information at the bottom of the letter explaining that if they were dissatisfied they could appeal and on what grounds. It was explained that it was a decision for parents if they appealed and how much information they included. Some Members felt that it would be difficult for some parents to explain what was wrong with the way a Policy was being applied and would like further information included in future policies. Officers would take on board these comments in reviewing the Policy.

 

Members asked if it would be acceptable for local Members to attend the Panel with appellants. It was confirmed that parents would be able to bring someone to support them to the Panel. It was agreed that a statement to this effect would be included in the procedure document.

 

Members asked if a third reason of equality of opportunity should be considered for grounds of appeal. Officers explained that this was not stated in the current Policy and the procedure could only be in line with existing content of the Policy and appeals were not on the substance of the Policy but the way it had been applied.

 

Some Members highlighted that it would be difficult for Members to sit on a Panel as the majority of Members had been involved in discussions around the subject, which had been very controversial. It would be a better option for the Panel to be made up of officers that were independent of these discussions and the Education, Leisure and Lifelong Learning Directorate.

 

Following scrutiny the majority of the Committee was supportive of the proposal to be considered by the Cabinet Board.

 

 

5.7     Review of School Music Service

(A.Hughes reaffirmed his interest and left the meeting for this item only).      

 

The Committee received the report to approve withdrawal from the current joint West Glamorgan music service and to establish a new music service to support Neath Port Talbot schools from 1 September 2016, as detailed within the circulated report.

 

Members were informed that following a joint consultation between the City and County of Swansea and Neath Port Talbot County Borough Council it was proposed that the West Glamorgan Music Service was disaggregated and that a single music service was established to deliver music provision under a service level agreement. Members commented that as the City and County of Swansea had already made their decision to disaggregate the Service, Neath Port Talbot had no other viable option. Members were disappointed that Swansea was withdrawing subsidy of their Music Service after August 2016. It was highlighted that Neath Port Talbot Council would continue to subsidise their Music Service for the financial year 2016/2017.

 

Members asked if there would be an increase in costs to parents/carers with the changes to the Service. Officers explained that in Neath Port Talbot there would be a small increase, but it would be manageable and it was comparatively less than in other Local Authorities. There would be a bigger increase in Swansea due to the withdrawal of the subsidy.

 

Officers highlighted that there had been some misunderstanding during the consultation that the Service was going to be withdrawn. This was not the case; a different way of delivering the Service had to be put into place. It was noted that there was currently a strong buy back profile from Neath Port Talbot schools with only a few schools indicating that they would be withdrawing. Members were pleased that the majority of schools had indicated that they would be taking up the Service and recognised the importance of music as part of the curriculum.

 

It was highlighted that schools in Neath Port Talbot were serviced by some staff employed by Swansea and vice versa. A skills audit would be undertaken and Neath Port Talbot staff would be placed in Neath Port Talbot schools based on their skill set and musical specialisms. Where there were surplus areas these places would be negotiated with the City and County of Swansea and vice versa.

 

The Committee queried how the Service would be managed as there were currently two managers in Swansea and one in Neath Port Talbot. It was explained that if interviews were required then they would be held, however, jobs in the Neath Port Talbot Service would be ring fenced for Neath Port Talbot employees in the first instance. Members asked how many teachers were included in the salary costs and they were informed that there were 31 teachers, not all full time equivalents and paid at different rates.

 

A complete inventory of assets/instruments would be undertaken and they would be split on an equitable basis. Any school pulling out of the Service Level Agreement would have assets removed from the school. It was noted that instruments that had been bought by the Friends of West Glamorgan Youth Orchestra belonged to the children that played in the orchestra and would stay with them.

 

It was noted that the music centres, orchestras, ensembles and bands would continue to operate jointly as these were self-funding. Members highlighted that the decisions made by the City and Council of Swansea would have an impact on these groups as it was possible that it would result in fewer children taking up a musical instrument.

 

Members thanked officers for all the work that had been put into developing the new Service and recognised that there was still a lot of work to be undertaken.

         

Following scrutiny, the Committee was supportive of the proposals to be considered by the Cabinet Board.