Agenda item

Pre-Scrutiny

Minutes:

The Committee chose to scrutinise the following Cabinet items:

 

Cabinet Proposals

 

3.1    Strategic School Improvement Programme - Future Of Secondary Education In The Upper Afan Valley

 

(Cllr.R.Mizen re-affirmed his interest at this point and withdrew from the meeting)

 

(Cllr.D.Whitelock re-affirmed his interest at this point and withdrew from the meeting)

 

Members received information on a proposal to make arrangements for pupils who would otherwise attend Cymer Afan Comprehensive School to receive their secondary education at a new build school in Margam, Ysgol Cwm Brombil, and to close Cymer Afan Comprehensive, as detailed in the circulated report.

 

The three Ward Members Cllr. S.Jones, Cllr. J.Jones and Cllr N.Davies were in attendance at the meeting and addressed the Committee.

 

They stated that there were many still unanswered questions. One question was what the future of the facilities used by the Community was, as they were attached to the School and there had been no discussion on the relocation of these or if they would continue. Officers highlighted that one option would be to apply for grant funding to continue with these activities and Officers were happy to discuss this with Local Members.

 

They also asked what the cost was for the demolition of the building and the removal of asbestos. Officers explained that once declared surplus to requirements, the demolition would go out to tender. This would be in consultation with the Local Members.

 

It was asked what was being done in relation to the backlog on the maintenance costs for feeder schools of approximately £3 million. It was noted that the School maintenance falls under the responsibility of the Environment department. It was explained that when buildings are in need of maintenance they are managed on priority basis depending on which building is in need of repair the most.

 

The Ward Members asked what measures were in place to ensure that roads A4106 and A463 were safe for the children to commute to the new schools as there were 62 accidents and 2 deaths recorded on those roads in the past. Officers highlighted that all roads had risks, however, the Council has a robust procedure in place to minimise those risks and to ensure children’s safety.

 

The Ward Members also raised concern on the Health and wellbeing of the children as there would be a reduction of family and study time, as their travel time would be greater than other school children. Officers highlighted that many children travel this amount of time to and from school; it was noted that some children like it as they have time with their friends.

 

They raised concern around Key stage 4 pupils and the disruption the move would cause them. Officers highlighted that they would ensure that disruption is kept to a minimum.

 

The Ward Members asked whether there would be free transport to Maesteg Comprehensive School. Officers highlighted that under the transport policy free transport would be provided to Maesteg Comprehensive as it would be the nearest suitable school for pupils. Transport would also be provided to Ysgol Cwm Brombil as the designated catchment school.

 

The Ward Members asked whether transport would be provided for children who want to access after school activities. Officers highlighted that transport could be arranged, however this was not for officers to decide, this would fall under the remit of head teachers and school governors.

 

The Ward Members highlighted that families would relocate where there are work opportunities therefore resulting in a decline in the population; therefore going against the aims of the Welsh Government Valleys Taskforce. The Chief Executive highlighted that the Neath Port Talbot Valleys Task and Finish Group had developed an action plan to try to mitigate the issues within the valley communities which had been forwarded to Cabinet for consideration. A response from Cabinet would be provided to Members at a future meeting of Cabinet.

 

The Ward members highlighted that the cost per pupil is high, and that this should be the case as there is a high level of need in the area. Officers explained that the higher funding is not because of the high level of need in the school but rather to provide the basic education which every secondary school provides. There are high levels of need in every secondary school in Neath Port Talbot.

 

The Ward Members asked whether Cymmer Afan could have a six form to make the School more it sustainable and increase numbers. Officers explained that a school requires certain merits to qualify for a six form. It would cost around £1,000 per pupil if there was a sixth form as the numbers would be very small which would make A Levels difficult with the numbers and size.

 

The Ward Members said that a Community impact assessment had highlighted that there would be an adverse and detrimental effect on the community. It was asked whether this was adhering to the Future Generations and Wellbeing Act. Officers explained that this proposal supported the requirement of the Act by giving children an improved facility and opportunities by moving to a new 21st century school with all the benefits of that.  In addition it enabled young people to gain an improved educational attainment level which will enable them to gain employment and support the valley communities.

 

Ward Members highlighted their concern in relation to pollution and the detrimental effect it could have on health and the close proximity to the school to areas of pollution and asked, what was being done about this issue. The Chief Executive highlighted his acknowledgement in relation to the pollution issues, however explained that there was ongoing work in place to remedy this situation, such as the introduction of the 50mph speed limit on the M4. It was noted that the Council Rejected the motion in relation to Port Talbot being the most polluted place in the UK as those figures were incorrect.

 

The Ward Members highlighted that the Council must have been aware of the potential closure of the school when applying for funding in January 2017. Officers explained that there was no mention of Cymmer Afan in the business plan as there was no plan at the time to close the school.

 

The Ward Members asked the committee to consider rejecting the proposals.

 

Members of the Scrutiny Committee highlighted their support for the local Members.

 

Members highlighted that the recommendation states, that it had in due regard to the impact assessment and asked what regard the council had taken in relation to it, the negative impact on staff and the stress that the key stage 4 pupils will be under when, they would be required to move schools during their most vulnerable time in school. It was highlighted that there are high levels of deprivation which added to the difficulty of parents accessing parents evening and for children to access after school activities where parents do not have their own transport. It was noted that the proposal for consideration today should not just be based on education but also has to take into account the negative impacts on the community. It was asked what regard has the council made to these concerns. Officers responded that there were a lot of matters considered. It was noted that providing better education is the main driver helping to develop skills and better education. It was noted that the authority have had similar issues in the past before the transition to Ysgol Bae Baglan which were overcome.

 

It was highlighted that the Council has a good and successful performance rate at Key Stage 4. Officers explained that the Equality Impact Assessment is very clear which takes full account of risks. It was noted that it is important to know the risks to allow the authority to address any risks. It was highlighted that the Equality Impact Assessment had been looked at by Counsel.

 

Members asked that if the proposal was agreed, what impact the removal of the school from the federation would have on the costs and budget. Members also highlighted that the opening of Cwm Brombil and closure of Cymmer Afan, had happened at similar times and highlighted that it was coincidental that Cymmer Afan wasn’t being considered for closure at the same time around three years ago. Members felt that there had been a lack of imagination with regard to Cymmer Afan and therefore proposed an amendment. Officers explained that the Primary School formula and Secondary School formula were different. It was noted that the Cymmer Secondary formula would push up the federation’s costs, due to the higher per pupil price which would call into question the viability of primary schools.

 

Members also stated that previously Bus Companies were not transparent in relation to the age of buses transporting to children to and from school. It was highlighted that there have been instances of a private plate being used to mask the age of the vehicle. This meant that buses used to transport young people were not always fit for purpose and Officers were asked what was being done to prevent this happening in future. Officers highlighted that various checks were made by the Council on vehicles and now the Council did not allow vehicles to be over the age of 7 years old.

 

(Cllr.M.Ellis left the meeting)

 

The Chair adjourned the meeting to allow Public, Officers and Members to have a break.

 

(The Chair reconvened the meeting and welcomed everyone to the meeting.)

 

The Chair read out a question on behalf of a member of the Committee who could not stay for the full Committee:-

 

‘I have concerns that the delay in the Cymmer school closure and subsequent arrangements for pupils attend Ysgol Bromfil may be interpreted as not having been fully considered in the setting out of the case for closure. There can be no doubt that the change in provision will have a major social and economic impact on the Upper Afan communities. How will the change affect the Schools Federation between primary and Secondary School. Not simply financial but moving forward in organisation needs and community engagement and participation. I am concerned also on the extension of the distance and timing of school buses with the potential and expected impact on behaviour, and access to pre and post school activities and the loss of time lost in the process. Staff too from Cymmer may have not had the same opportunities the reassignment to Ysgol Brombil.’

 

Officers explained that they expected the federation in the Afan Valley to continue. It was noted that there is a Policy in place to address any concerns regarding the buses and their condition, plus any behaviour issues on the buses. It was also noted that there was a policy in place to support staff displaced as a result of the school closure which would take place in consultation with the trade unions.

 

Members re-iterated the difficulty that the lack of transport was having on valley communities which adds to the decline in the valleys. It was observed by Members that decision making and policy was usually centralised. It was highlighted that the Welsh Government were supporting the valleys, however, they felt that the Council did not. The Chief Executive explained that the Council are working with Welsh Government on initiatives however, the authority has to work with the resources it currently has.

 

Members highlighted that they were in favour of 21st century schools, however they felt that this was not the best decision for the valleys. It was noted that Members understood there had been a financial crisis. Members felt that there should be equal investment in valleys as there was in towns. The Chief Executive agreed with Members that the salvation of the valleys was not only in in investment in building but how to maintain them. It was noted that putting something in place is easy, however maintaining it is difficult. Job creation and economy development in valleys was important. It was noted that the Capital budget has been reduced by Welsh Government by 40% in the previous few years.

 

Officers highlighted that each primary school gets a share of maintenance costs, given on a “need most” basis. If money was spread out to an allocation for each school then it wouldn’t be enough if a boiler broke down, pooling resources allowed for this eventuality.

 

Members asked whether there had there been any study on the Afan Valley with regard to access and ownership to cars. Officers highlighted that around 40% of citizens in Cymmer, Gwynfi and Croeserw don’t have cars.

 

Members asked for officer’s reassurance that the primary schools would be kept in the valleys. Officers confirmed that there were currently no plans to close any Primary schools in the Afan Valley.

 

Members highlighted that parents and guardians had already started to take their children out of the Valley which has undermined the Authority to be able to maintain the Schools. It was noted that Transport is a concern, however members had the same fears when deciding similar fates with Ysgol Bae Baglan and the attendance there is excellent. Members highlighted that the children would benefit from this change.

 

(Cllr.R.Phillips left the meeting)

(Cllr.A.J.Richards left the meeting)

 

Members highlighted that change was difficult and parents were concerned. However, this was an opportunity for children to gain the education they deserved by giving them the tools and skills to be able to achieve qualifications which would enable them to find employment which would impact on communities. Members referred to the Equality Impact Assessment and highlighted that it was an honest one.

 

Members highlighted that key stage 4 doesn’t work as well in Cymmer Afan as it could in a larger school, where children will have the opportunity to do BTEC’s.

 

Members highlighted that bullying could be caused on school transport and asked is there anything in place to prevent this. Officers highlighted that this was raised in consultation. It was noted that the school would deal with this if it were to happen. The Director of Education explained that we have numerous children that travel each day to school, issues were close to zero and are effective at dealing with bullying at source.

 

A formal amendment to the recommendation contained within the circulated report was proposed and seconded:-

 

‘It is recommended that Officers undertake further work on the options and models for retaining a secondary education campus in the Afan Valley. Including potentially:

 

·        Federation or amalgamation of Cymer Afan and Ysgol Cwm Brombil

·        Inclusion of the Afan Valley Primary cluster

·        21st Century school funding for the Afan Valley

·        Consultation with the school communities of the Afan Valley on any other potential alternatives’

 

 

There following a request for a recorded vote which received the requisite support in accordance with the requirements of Section 14.5 of Part 4 of the Council’s Constitution – Rules of Procedure.

 

For the Amendment

 

S.Harris, S.K.Hunt, A.LLewelyn, J.D.Morgan and L.M.Purcell

 

Against the Amendment

 

S.ap Dafydd, S.E.Freeguard, M.Harvey, H.N.James, S.Miller, S.M.Penry, M.Protheroe, S.Rahaman, S.Renke, A.L.Thomas, A.N.Woolcock, A.Amor and M.Caddick

 

         Abstentions        

 

         None

 

         As a result the amendment fell

 

The Joint Cabinet and Education, Skills and Culture Scrutiny Committee then proposed and seconded the initial proposals contained within the report:-

 

·        Having given due regard to the objections and the impact  assessments in relation to equality, risk, community usage and Welsh language together with the legal implications, it is recommended that, in line with Section 53 of the School Standards and Organisation (Wales) Act 2013, Members determine to implement the proposal to make arrangements for pupils who would otherwise attend Cymer Afan Comprehensive school to receive their secondary education at Ysgol Cwm Brombil and to close Cymer Afan Comprehensive.

 

·        The proposed date of implementation to be 1st September 2019.

 

·        The site and buildings be declared surplus to the operational requirements of the Education Leisure and Lifelong Learning Service.

 

For the Recommendation

 

S.ap Dafydd, S.E.Freeguard, M.Harvey, H.N.James, S.Miller, S.M.Penry, M.Protheroe, S.Rahaman, S.Renke, A.L.Thomas, A.N.Woolcock, A.Amor and M.Caddick

 

Against the Recommendation

 

S.Harris, S.K.Hunt, A.LLewelyn, J.D.Morgan and L.M.Purcell

 

         Abstentions        

 

         None

 

Following scrutiny, the majority of the Committee was supportive of the proposals to be considered by the Cabinet Board